Subject	Very biased article
Posted by	tya on February 13, 2008 at 2:32 AM
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In Reply To	It's not a blurb :). MS got the first mover's advantage posted by ZCulture on February 13, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Message	I agree; the blog was very poorly written, borderline racist, and was o bviously biased towards mike smith and kojima's side since they are all friends. Hsu has never met with nor spoken with AMS or gotten their side of things. I myself have not decided one way or another until i see more facts. The fact that the writer is chinese american and is / was head tuner at a well respected tuning shop in southern california makes it suprising and shocking in using these kind of racist insults against people whom he shares a common blood. why blame china who is essentially the middleman in this situation? AMS had the chinese factories make the manifolds for them; how would the chinese even know or rather why should they even care who copied what? they were hired to do a job and they did it and were presumably paid. XS engineering and mike smith could have done the same thing and gone to the chinese factories as well. Dont shoot the messenger. got 2.5 inch piping? 1991 platinum mist TT ready to go!
Follow Ups	a little blurb about the MS/AMS manifold debacle - aliaZ 23:22:57 02/12/08 Classic analysis: - Bernie (NoVA) 23:28:02 02/12/08 This spring I will be getting a new radiator and I was - ShakaShaun(Denver) 23:30:57 02/12/08 they could have at least included speed holes (n/m) - Guapo 23:32:14 02/12/08 I had a sister named endojima (n/m) - zgene4 23:48:19 02/12/08 AMEN! All i can say is i LOVE IT. He is a coward and - 5280Z_nightstalker 00:00:01 02/13/08 Alweays Made by Stealing. very nice. (n/m) - nemo1080 00:04:49 02/13/08 2nd. That one will stick w/ me. (n/m) - Hawkin"Z" 09:17:12 02/13/08 ehh - zxtuner161 00:02:47 02/13/08 "z32 parts are overpriced to begin with" - nemo1080 00:05:47 02/13/08 Go look up BMW performance parts, - BlackholeZ 00:28:59 02/13/08 bmw's also sell for alot (n/m) - zxtuner161 00:31:34 02/13/08 you are sounding more and more ignorant - gt300zxtt 00:37:26 02/13/08 its an opinion... - zxtuner161 00:44:12 02/13/08 Re: its an opinion... - Alan(NJ) 10:23:46 02/13/08 Prices are reasonable - lazer(AK) 13:31:22 02/13/08 i hope you are being completely facetious (n/m) - gt300zxtt 00:26:00 02/13/08 you're clueless (n/m) - aliaZ 00:31:04 02/13/08 i'm hoping people have more to back up they say - zxtuner161 00:32:22 02/13/08 ehh - aliaZ 00:43:55 02/13/08 thank's for the jump to conclusion of - zxtuner161 00:48:25 02/13/08 you gained a few points with the logic on this one, thank - gt300zxtt 01:12:47 02/13/08 btw - they told you that ? (n/m) - ztunerz 08:17:40 02/13/08 I'm going to believe what aliaZ said only because - Spongerider :) 12:41:02 02/13/08 of coarse, lets all just assume =] (n/m) - zxtuner161 14:18:26 02/13/08 i'm not saying i don't believe him - just curious about the - ztunerz 15:53:57 02/13/08 since you are apparently being serious - gt300zxtt 01:01:22 02/13/08 ... - zxtuner161 01:30:12 02/13/08 a million times over: You have to Pay to Play - volcomstone550 02:41:02 02/13/08 The same for product vendors. It is a two way street. - AZHeat 07:44:10 02/13/08 Do you hear the airplane? Vrroooommmmm!!!!!! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 11:28:23 02/13/08 you're an idiot. (n/m) - Spee 22:58:54 02/13/08 AMS should have more pride than that. (n/m) - V8Killah 00:06:28 02/13/08 *should - gt300zxtt 01:17:52 02/13/08 Where have you been for the last 15-20 years? - LJZTT 11:32:45 02/13/08 *shrug* - vorpalZ 00:09:25 02/13/08 good point (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 10:23:33 02/13/08 I think you underestimate the expanse of Z-owners who - LJZTT 11:35:09 02/13/08 maybe, - vorpalZ 12:03:22 02/13/08 around here, not so much - LJZTT 20:07:18 02/13/08 hmm, he says there is no difference in the mani's - inf 00:28:12 02/13/08 Care to elaborate? (n/m) - Broke_as_**** 02:24:28 02/13/08 forgot where the thread was... - inf 02:55:02 02/13/08 that .002 diff or whatever was prob a manufacture defect - Ahmed 06:53:19 02/13/08 that's a far stretch (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 10:24:32 02/13/08 yes, calling 0.002" variance "different" is indeed a stretch (n/m) - Guapo 10:56:22 02/13/08 I was only referring to it being a 'unintentional defect' - CRAZZEPETE. 11:29:14 02/13/08 Manufacturing variance would be more apt. Hell, you can get - Guapo 11:38:44 02/13/08 I believe it was more than .002. Pull up the post. (n/m) - AZHeat 12:05:55 02/13/08 Irellevant. It was close enough to be laughable to be - Guapo 12:15:34 02/13/08 I suppose (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 12:18:42 02/13/08 ^^ 2nd what Guap said (n/m) - Ahmed 12:20:07 02/13/08 -5 what guapo said (n/m) - inf 13:28:22 02/13/08 here it is - inf 13:27:36 02/13/08 lol ... exactly. (n/m) - Guapo 13:33:07 02/13/08 some parts there was .060 difference. That is about 1.5mm - AZHeat 13:58:54 02/13/08 well within margin for error when measuring (n/m) - Guapo 17:06:30 02/13/08 You're kidding right? Do you measure engine parts for specs? (n/m) - AZHeat 20:41:36 02/13/08 my point was that its not significantly diff from the MS (n/m) - Ahmed 11:53:41 02/13/08 In this case the Chinese don't have much to do with it - Bezza 00:32:03 02/13/08 It's not a blurb :). MS got the first mover's advantage - ZCulture 00:34:15 02/13/08 here is the complete blog - aliaZ 00:56:15 02/13/08 Coming to your nearest Walmart. (n/m) - AZHeat 07:15:25 02/13/08 Very biased article - tya 02:32:51 02/13/08 what you say is a very common perception - ztunerz 08:44:08 02/13/08 No one is saying to lynch the Chinese - SeedyROM 11:54:48 02/13/08 Re: Very biased article - Spongerider :) 12:30:15 02/13/08 apple computers are assembled in china - good QC (n/m) - ztunerz 15:55:27 02/13/08 Apple is not a small to medium size company... - Hiratsuka0689 (ATL) 16:14:22 02/13/08 Why do people assume that Made in China = - AZHeat 07:42:00 02/13/08 Ya, i mean, chinese stuff has ALWAYS been high quality... - Keaner 09:39:46 02/13/08 you made a poor argument - CRAZZEPETE. 10:30:11 02/13/08 nowadays you are correct, - Hiratsuka0689 (ATL) 11:11:09 02/13/08 I watch a news report on China becoming an industrial - AZHeat 11:13:00 02/13/08 many americans are ignorant to where many parts - inf 13:30:00 02/13/08 Made in China =... - induetime 20:55:33 02/13/08 >>> - ztunerz 08:14:13 02/13/08 agreed on that point ... caveat: the parts are in stock (n/m) - The Devils Z 10:31:40 02/13/08 true - there were 2 sets available :) (n/m) - ztunerz 10:49:55 02/13/08 link is not working for me (n/m) - ztunerz 08:15:02 02/13/08 Ok who in their right mind would even import AMS stuff? - MOZZ 08:33:34 02/13/08 what do you mean? USA imports many many things - CRAZZEPETE. 10:31:48 02/13/08 I put the blog article on Digg if anyone cares... - Tu 11:25:26 02/13/08 The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. (n/m) - dpjax 12:39:33 02/13/08 I never said the chinaman is the issue, Dude. - aliaZ 13:14:06 02/13/08 I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. (n/m) - dpjax 13:36:28 02/13/08 you lost me, Dude. - aliaZ 14:06:36 02/13/08 No, I'm the dude, duderino, your dudeness if you're into the - zgene4 19:02:40 02/13/08 the Dude... - Tu 15:04:28 02/13/08 How did they copy it? Did they buy some MS ones or - moxie (SF) 16:15:11 02/13/08 It's in *SEARCH*. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 18:30:29 02/13/08 I just purchased an AMS radiator. Good thing it's still in - 91z tt 17:18:51 02/13/08 Yea, but they have your money. (n/m) - AZHeat 10:49:26 02/14/08 haha, awesome. (n/m) - Spee 22:57:20 02/13/08
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